Genseek Tipperary Big Houses The following information is a sample of the information about The Big Houses of Tipperary c 1850. The list's origins are from an excellent book titled, "Tipperary,History and Society" by W.Nolan and T.G.McGrath. The book gives a background on the society and events in Co Tipperary _____________________________________________________________________
Such lists can serve the genealogist in their research on the backgrounds of their family members, and the areas that they come where living in. It can be a guide to events,people,places and possible employers. It may be a source of information about a place or area that a family came from. e.g- how big was the property? what would it need to be maintained? was there fences to mend,drainage requiring laborers?- crops?tenants? - carters for haulage? servants to the house - groom,maid,herdsman,gardener,? windows to fixed - grazier? Roofs to mend - walls to paint? another example -Corville House is in the townland of Corville,and the Baroney of Ikerrin. It is approx.1 mile south of Roscrea and there is a cemetery nearby, -does the cemetery still exist or is it known of? Would there be records of the headstone's or burials? Where could they be held? We known that this big house it is in the townland of Corville - so the researcher needs to know - who was governing that Townland,Halftownland,Common,Glebe,Village,Mill,Quarry.? Civil,Religous,Government, - all possible sources of information regarding a place or parish or baroney Also - did the parish and or townland,halftownland etc, ever lay under the jurisdiction of another? Also - in the case of Coleville - we know that it was leased by Messrs Birch to the Hon.Francis Prittie. Who where they? How did they become owners of the land ? Did they lease to smaller tenants? if so - what manner of agreementwhere the leases? [eg - around Killarney - in Australia - in the 1850's,the tenants of Wm Rutledge had their renewals of leases usually around the months April/July of each year -but they where not necessarily annual - some tenants had life leases.] It didn't pay the landlord to have too short a lease on his farms as the tenants wouldn't put their best effort into improving and caring for same. Also tenants wanted some security in knowing the amount of time they could lease a farm..particularly if there was family to provide and care for. If a landlord fell on hard times and could not meet his commitment to his lessor - what happened? Did he call up the rents on the tenants who where leasing?What if they couldn't pay {thithes} and what if they wouldn't leave? Was there a court that they could appeal to over jurisdictional matters? When the big house was built - what sort of artisians and laborers would be needed? - Did any stay on after completion - especially if they married into the local families? How long would it take to complete such a project as a castle etc. What of police business? the majority of crimes that are happening today - was happening back in early days also.So where and how were they charged? and by whom - police/troopers? where was the gaols - and who run them? What if there was land dispute on boundaries? Where would this be settled? What about schooling? where there any nearby? State or Denomination funded and conducted? I recommend that the researcher reads as much history ofan area that they are interested in as may be available to gain insight into the social conditions that may have affected their family, and that may have contributed to choices that governed their behaviour/living arrangments,employment,schooling etc.. It is always my personal recommendation that any information should be authenticated. This sample list below details the Townland and Baroney and Map Reference to six inch sheet, they occupier of the land,its valuation in pounds ,the estate size,and associations to site.
House ____Townland/Baroney & Map Reference ____Lessor__Occupier___Valuation___Demesne ____Site Associations ____________________________________________________________________ Anner Castle ___Ballinamore__Iffo & Offa East___LXXV11 ___In Fee______Rev M Mandeville___46.8.0. ___On the east bank of the river Anner,north east of Clonmel ___Formerly Ballinlahy-extended and renamed Anner Castle c 1830.Burnt in 1926 Ballydine, ___Ballydine_Iffa & Offa East,LXXX1V ___Earl of Clonmel_________J Power__40.9.0____200 ___On River Suir in Clonmel.Carrick Lowlands west of Carrick,with views of the ___Comeraghs and Slievenamon.Ballydine cluster.Formerly seat of the Mandeville ___family.House was sold to first Earl of Clonmel in 1871. Ballykisteen ___Gotinstown_Clanwilliam_____LV111 ___In fee______Lord Stanley_______50.0.0____150 ___Located in the Golden Vale north of Tipperary town Ballynacourty ___Ballynacourty,__Clanwilliam_____LXX111 ___In Fee______Rev .J.M.Dawson___-75.0.0___1,000 ___In Glen of Aherlow at the foot of the Slievenamuck mountain and facing ___the Galtees.Ruins of Clonbeg Church,graveyard site,parochial centre. ___Burnt in 1922. Ballyowen ___Newpark_Middlethird______L111 ___Capt.M.Penefeather_______J.Ryan__48.0.0.___700 ___North of Cashel.Protestant CHurch and police Barracks.Built c 1750 ___for the Penefeather family.Sold in 1864 to othe McCann family Barnane ___Barnane__Ikerri___XXV11 ___In Fee_________________J.Carden______64.10.0__1,430 ___South of Devil's bit mountain.Ruins of Barnane church and graveyard. ___parochial center.Police Barracks.In ruins. Barne Park ___Barne Demesne,Iffa and Offa East__LXXV1 ___In fee________________S.Moore________49.13.0__700 ___Two miles north of Clonmel in Clonmel-Caher lowlands ___Early eighteenth century,remodelled in French chataex style in early 19th Cent Baronne Court ___Stonesown__Lower Ormond__V ___In Fee_________________Rev.J.Marshall____53.0.0.__200 ___West of Riverstown,close to Tipperary Offaly County Border Ballywire ___Ballywire__Clanwilliam__LXV ___Provost and fellows of T.C.D.__J.B.Massey__40.0.0__ns ___Three miles south of Emly on the Tipperary Limerick Border Belle Isle ___Lehinch__Lower Ormond__IV ___In fee__________________Lord Avonmore____48.0.0.__ns ___On river Shannon,west of Lorrha village.Ruins of Ireton's castle. ___Derry Castle,Police barracks.Eighteenth cent house. Castlefogart ___Castlefogarty__Kilnamanagh Upper__XL ___In fee__________________J.Lanigan________48.10.0___430 ___Clodiagh river to the west.Close to the chapel village of Ballycahill. ___early nineteenth century Castelough ___Castlelough__Owney and Arra__XII ___In fee_________________Reps of Rev.S.J.Parker__51.4.0__1,000 ___Located on shores of Lough Derg,Late 18th century house Castle Otway ___Cloghonan__Upper Ormond__XXVII ___In fee__________________Mr B Otway Cave_____47.17.0__800 ___In the northern foothilss of the Silvermine mountatins.Ruins of ___Cloghanan castle,Police Barracks,Protestant church,Templederry village ___Burnt in 1922 Castlepark ___Castlepark__Clanwilliam__LX ___K.Penefeather____________L.Creagh__________65.0.0.____214 ___On Suir close to the GOlden Village Corville ___Corville___Ikerrin__XII ___Messrs Birch_____________Hon.Francis Pritte___58.0.0.___600 ___Approx. one mile south of Roscrea.Corballis abbey in ruins.graveyard. ___Parochial center Derry Castle ___Derry Demesne__Owney & Arra__XII ___in fee___________________F.Spaight_________71.10.0____400 ___North of Ballina Village on shore of Lough Derg and close to Derry Quay ___Castle ruins Derryluskan ___Derryluskan__Middlethird__LXX ___Colonel Gore______________Colonel Palliser___45.17.0__835 ___North of Fethard-Cahsel lowlands.Ruins of Church. Dovea ___Dovea Lower__Eliogarty__XXXV ___In fee___________________-J.Trant_____________79.3.0__600 ___Four miles north of Thurles.Protestant church.Police Barracks. Dundrum ___Dundrum__Kilmanagh Lower__LII ___In fee____________________Viscount Hawarden____88.0.0__2,500 ___On the Multeen river south of village of Dundrum,glebe house. ___Protestant church.SIte of castle.O"Dwyers Well.Mid 18th Cent by ___Sir Edward Lovett Pearce Farney Castle ___Farney Bridge__Eliogarty__XI ___Rev.S.Wall________________Major W ARmstrong_____42.10.0___ns ___Four miles west of Thurles.Built early 19th century Fishmoyne ___Fishmoyne___Eliogarty___XXXIV ___In Fee____________________R.Carden_____________56.17.0__300 ___One mile east of Norrisoleigh close to the Fishmoyne River ___Catholic CHurch of Fishmoyne.Protestant church.Early 19th century Graiguenoe ___Graiguenoe___Middlethird___XLVII ___In fee____________________C.Clarke______________44.12.0___ns ___Located on east bank of the river Suir south of village of Holycross ___Late Georgeian built 1833-35.Burnt in 1923 Harley Park ___Harley Park___Slieveardagh__LVI ___In fee_____________________J.P.Poe_______________41.10.0__300 ___East of Slieveardagh hills.Close to Tipperary/Kilkenny border ___Police Barracks.Intact. Inane ___Inane__Ikerrin___XVII ___In fee______________________J.A.Jackson__________50.0.0__500 ___Two miles south west of Roscrea close to the Tipperary/Offaly border
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Genseek

Tipperary Big Houses

The following information is a sample of the information about
The Big Houses of Tipperary c 1850.

The list's origins are from an excellent book titled,
"Tipperary,History and Society"
by W.Nolan and T.G.McGrath.
The book gives a background on the society and events in Co Tipperary

_____________________________________________________________________

Such lists can serve the genealogist in their research on the backgrounds of their family members, and the areas that they come where living in.
It can be a guide to events,people,places and possible employers.
It may be a source of information about a place or area that a family came from.
e.g- how big was the property? what would it need to be maintained? was there fences to mend,drainage requiring laborers?- crops?tenants? - carters for haulage?
servants to the house - groom,maid,herdsman,gardener,? windows to fixed - grazier?
Roofs to mend - walls to paint?

another example
-Corville House is in the townland of Corville,and the Baroney of Ikerrin.
It is approx.1 mile south of Roscrea and there is a cemetery nearby,
-does the cemetery still exist or is it known of?
Would there be records of the headstone's or burials?
Where could they be held?

We known that this big house it is in the townland of Corville -
so the researcher needs to know -
who was governing that Townland,Halftownland,Common,Glebe,Village,Mill,Quarry.?
Civil,Religous,Government, -
all possible sources of information regarding a place or parish or baroney
Also - did the parish and or townland,halftownland etc,
ever lay under the jurisdiction of another?

Also - in the case of Coleville -
we know that it was leased by Messrs Birch to the Hon.Francis Prittie.
Who where they? How did they become owners of the land ?
Did they lease to smaller tenants? if so -
what manner of agreementwhere the leases?
[eg - around Killarney - in Australia - in the 1850's,the tenants
of Wm Rutledge had their renewals of leases usually around the months
April/July of each year -but they where not necessarily annual -
some tenants had life leases.]
It didn't pay the landlord to have too short a lease on his farms as the
tenants wouldn't put their best effort into improving and caring for same.
Also tenants wanted some security in knowing the amount of time they could
lease a farm..particularly if there was family to provide and care for.
If a landlord fell on hard times and could not meet his commitment
to his lessor - what happened? Did he call up the rents on the tenants who
where leasing?What if they couldn't pay {thithes} and what if they
wouldn't leave? Was there a court that they could appeal to over jurisdictional matters?

When the big house was built - what sort of artisians and laborers
would be needed? - Did any stay on after completion - especially if
they married into the local families? How long would it take to complete
such a project as a castle etc.

What of police business? the majority of crimes that are happening today -
was happening back in early days also.So where and how were they charged?
and by whom - police/troopers? where was the gaols -
and who run them?

What if there was land dispute on boundaries? Where would this be settled?

What about schooling? where there any nearby?
State or Denomination funded and conducted?

I recommend that the researcher reads as much history ofan area that they are interested
in as may be available to gain insight into the social conditions
that may have affected their family, and that may have contributed to
choices that governed their behaviour/living arrangments,employment,schooling etc..

It is always my personal recommendation that any information should be authenticated.

This sample list below details the Townland and Baroney and Map Reference
to six inch sheet, they occupier of the land,its valuation in pounds ,the estate size,and associations to site.

House
____Townland/Baroney & Map Reference
____Lessor__Occupier___Valuation___Demesne
____Site Associations

____________________________________________________________________
Anner Castle
___Ballinamore__Iffo & Offa East___LXXV11
___In Fee______Rev M Mandeville___46.8.0.
___On the east bank of the river Anner,north east of Clonmel
___Formerly Ballinlahy-extended and renamed Anner Castle c 1830.Burnt in 1926

Ballydine,
___Ballydine_Iffa & Offa East,LXXX1V
___Earl of Clonmel_________J Power__40.9.0____200
___On River Suir in Clonmel.Carrick Lowlands west of Carrick,with views of the
___Comeraghs and Slievenamon.Ballydine cluster.Formerly seat of the Mandeville
___family.House was sold to first Earl of Clonmel in 1871.

Ballykisteen
___Gotinstown_Clanwilliam_____LV111
___In fee______Lord Stanley_______50.0.0____150
___Located in the Golden Vale north of Tipperary town

Ballynacourty
___Ballynacourty,__Clanwilliam_____LXX111
___In Fee______Rev .J.M.Dawson___-75.0.0___1,000
___In Glen of Aherlow at the foot of the Slievenamuck mountain and facing
___the Galtees.Ruins of Clonbeg Church,graveyard site,parochial centre.
___Burnt in 1922.

Ballyowen
___Newpark_Middlethird______L111
___Capt.M.Penefeather_______J.Ryan__48.0.0.___700
___North of Cashel.Protestant CHurch and police Barracks.Built c 1750
___for the Penefeather family.Sold in 1864 to othe McCann family

Barnane
___Barnane__Ikerri___XXV11
___In Fee_________________J.Carden______64.10.0__1,430
___South of Devil's bit mountain.Ruins of Barnane church and graveyard.
___parochial center.Police Barracks.In ruins.

Barne Park
___Barne Demesne,Iffa and Offa East__LXXV1
___In fee________________S.Moore________49.13.0__700
___Two miles north of Clonmel in Clonmel-Caher lowlands
___Early eighteenth century,remodelled in French chataex style in early 19th Cent

Baronne Court
___Stonesown__Lower Ormond__V
___In Fee_________________Rev.J.Marshall____53.0.0.__200
___West of Riverstown,close to Tipperary Offaly County Border

Ballywire
___Ballywire__Clanwilliam__LXV
___Provost and fellows of T.C.D.__J.B.Massey__40.0.0__ns
___Three miles south of Emly on the Tipperary Limerick Border

Belle Isle
___Lehinch__Lower Ormond__IV
___In fee__________________Lord Avonmore____48.0.0.__ns
___On river Shannon,west of Lorrha village.Ruins of Ireton's castle.
___Derry Castle,Police barracks.Eighteenth cent house.

Castlefogart
___Castlefogarty__Kilnamanagh Upper__XL
___In fee__________________J.Lanigan________48.10.0___430
___Clodiagh river to the west.Close to the chapel village of Ballycahill.
___early nineteenth century

Castelough
___Castlelough__Owney and Arra__XII
___In fee_________________Reps of Rev.S.J.Parker__51.4.0__1,000
___Located on shores of Lough Derg,Late 18th century house

Castle Otway
___Cloghonan__Upper Ormond__XXVII
___In fee__________________Mr B Otway Cave_____47.17.0__800
___In the northern foothilss of the Silvermine mountatins.Ruins of
___Cloghanan castle,Police Barracks,Protestant church,Templederry village
___Burnt in 1922

Castlepark
___Castlepark__Clanwilliam__LX
___K.Penefeather____________L.Creagh__________65.0.0.____214
___On Suir close to the GOlden Village

Corville
___Corville___Ikerrin__XII
___Messrs Birch_____________Hon.Francis Pritte___58.0.0.___600
___Approx. one mile south of Roscrea.Corballis abbey in ruins.graveyard.
___Parochial center

Derry Castle
___Derry Demesne__Owney & Arra__XII
___in fee___________________F.Spaight_________71.10.0____400
___North of Ballina Village on shore of Lough Derg and close to Derry Quay
___Castle ruins

Derryluskan
___Derryluskan__Middlethird__LXX
___Colonel Gore______________Colonel Palliser___45.17.0__835
___North of Fethard-Cahsel lowlands.Ruins of Church.

Dovea
___Dovea Lower__Eliogarty__XXXV
___In fee___________________-J.Trant_____________79.3.0__600
___Four miles north of Thurles.Protestant church.Police Barracks.

Dundrum
___Dundrum__Kilmanagh Lower__LII
___In fee____________________Viscount Hawarden____88.0.0__2,500
___On the Multeen river south of village of Dundrum,glebe house.
___Protestant church.SIte of castle.O"Dwyers Well.Mid 18th Cent by
___Sir Edward Lovett Pearce

Farney Castle
___Farney Bridge__Eliogarty__XI
___Rev.S.Wall________________Major W ARmstrong_____42.10.0___ns
___Four miles west of Thurles.Built early 19th century

Fishmoyne
___Fishmoyne___Eliogarty___XXXIV
___In Fee____________________R.Carden_____________56.17.0__300
___One mile east of Norrisoleigh close to the Fishmoyne River
___Catholic CHurch of Fishmoyne.Protestant church.Early 19th century

Graiguenoe
___Graiguenoe___Middlethird___XLVII
___In fee____________________C.Clarke______________44.12.0___ns
___Located on east bank of the river Suir south of village of Holycross
___Late Georgeian built 1833-35.Burnt in 1923

Harley Park
___Harley Park___Slieveardagh__LVI
___In fee_____________________J.P.Poe_______________41.10.0__300
___East of Slieveardagh hills.Close to Tipperary/Kilkenny border ___Police Barracks.Intact.

Inane
___Inane__Ikerrin___XVII
___In fee______________________J.A.Jackson__________50.0.0__500
___Two miles south west of Roscrea close to the Tipperary/Offaly border

Genseek

Tipperary Big Houses

The following information is a sample of the information about The Big Houses of Tipperary c 1850.

The following information is a sample of the information about
The Big Houses of Tipperary c 1850.